So, TikTok went dark after the US ban, for about 14 hours. Then, it was back online, with a message crediting its return to “President Trump’s efforts.”
TikTok, with over 170 million users in the US, is one of the biggest platforms in the U.S. with a huge ecosystem of creators, merchants, and consumers. Its brief shutdown caused a stir, even prompting some users to flock to Xiaohongshu with the trending hashtag #TikTokRefugees.
TikTok’s return came after President Trump specifically confirmed there will be no liability for any company that helped TikTok from going dark before an executive order to be issued on day 1 to keep TikTok running.
How would things evolve from here? Will TikTok survive in the medium and long term in the US?
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[00:00:00] Sabrina: Welcome to episode 107 of the Impaso podcast. So today is the 20th of January, and we’re filming this a couple of hours before Donald Trump is going to be sworn in as the President of the United States, right?
[00:00:13] Jianggan: Are you going to watch the inauguration ceremony?
Yes.
[00:00:15] Sabrina: Are you?
[00:00:15] Phyllis: I have other shows to watch. I watch whatever there is to watch on TikTok. Okay,
[00:00:19] Jianggan: so basically, if it happens that you scroll through your TikTok and it’s there, you might watch for a few seconds. I’m
[00:00:28] Sabrina: pretty sure that there will be clips on TikTok, but that’s a good segue to what we’re actually going to talk about today, which is the recent sort of TikTok ban in the US, right?
So just setting a little context for our viewers. So, So yesterday on the 19th of January, TikTok actually went kind of offline in the US. So there was a sort of like pop up sent to users in the US that said, sorry, TikTok isn’t available right now. I’ll put this photo on the screen, but I think Dennis is going to put this photo on the screen.
But for those who are listening, essentially it’s the notification said that a law banning TikTok has been enacted by the US and of course, what they also mentioned is that. At the bottom is we are fortunate that president trump has indicated that he will work with us on a solution to reinstate tiktok Once he takes office, please stay tuned
[00:01:16] Jianggan: So of course we’re best in asia and and last night lots of people talking about it talking about tiktok going Dark and this morning and many people woke up to the news that is back.
Yeah. So what did he say?
[00:01:28] Sabrina: So this morning, there’s another screenshot. Denise, you can put it up. So it says, Welcome back. Thank you for your patience and support. This is less than 24 hours after TikTok went offline in the US, right? And they said, As a result of President Trump’s effort, TikTok is back in the US.
We can continue to create, share, and discover all the things you love on TikTok.
[00:01:48] Jianggan: Interesting. It’s crediting Trump. Like, Two days in a row, they found that
[00:01:52] Sabrina: Trump in both messages. So in the message where they were going offline, they said that they would work with Trump. Mm-hmm . And then when they went back online, they tech, they thanked Trump.
So of course, I guess recently Trump has, in his, the most recent election, he has came out and say that he would not support this ban.
[00:02:10] Jianggan: Yep. So, actually, you know, Trump has a TikTok account, right? So when it first came out there was a video, I think it was his third video. And he was saying that, okay, I mean, he was basically pledging two things that was still during the elections.
And the first thing is that he’s going to remove the, the, the income, personal income tax for tips. And the second is that he’s going to save TikTok. And he looked very jolly in that video.
[00:02:31] Sabrina: But like, that’s the thing that brings back a couple of times, Two times ago. Trump was kind of the one that brought up this whole ban on TikTok, right?
And of course maybe before we talk into that, we can talk a little bit about the significance of TikTok in the US, right? So obviously we know TikTok is one of the leading social media platforms in the US. They have over 170 million users in the US alone, but it’s not just that. So we know that TikTok has been expanding into the e commerce scene, right?
And of course, with the launch of TikTok shop, especially that in the US, the US market has actually done really well. In TikTok shop, right? So the OGMV in 2024 for TikTok, US alone in TikTok shop US alone is about 9 billion US dollars. So it’s actually overtake Indonesia to be the top
[00:03:18] Jianggan: as as the top country.
Yeah, as the top. So I think our insights team has been working with Tapco, who, which has been doing TikTok and shop analytics for the last two years. So we’re telling the, telling the. The e commerce GMB numbers as well as trends for for 2024. So a new report will be coming out towards the end of this week.
[00:03:38] Sabrina: Yes. So if you guys are interested in the report, you can check it out. I will add the link into the show notes and the comments as well as soon as it’s out. So you guys can take a
[00:03:46] Jianggan: look. So, so obviously there are, I mean, I don’t know. How many, how, how, how many shops are there on TikTok shop
[00:03:52] Phyllis: US? There were 7 million, it provided 7 million jobs over 7 million.
That’s according to a show. Like in recent TikTok. Like two days ago. Two days ago. Okay.
[00:04:04] Jianggan: Okay. So, so, so obviously there, there’s lots of activities going on in TikTok. I mean, of course, young people go there and consume news and the content creators are creating content and merchants are doing e commerce.
So, so, so it’s a, it’s a, it’s a vibrant ecosystem there.
[00:04:19] Sabrina: So obviously when the news of the band kind of like kicked in, a lot of people were panicking, right?
I think no one was panicking until like maybe a day before the band, when they, it actually hit them like, oh shit, I actually have to start shifting followers to other platforms.
[00:04:36] Jianggan: It’s kind of funny because I’m in a lot of a lot of groups with merchants, which have, which had a WhatsApp groups. And and many of them were talking about this potential ban, right.
And, but up until, I mean, I don’t know, two or three days before the ban was actually going in force people there were basically saying that, okay, I’m sure they will find a solution. I’m sure that, okay. They read lots of news saying that, okay, the spring court is going to hear this case. No, they voted against it.
And maybe Trump was of it. I mean, they, they, they see every positive sign that that’s coming their way to say that, okay, maybe the business will be going as usual. When TikTok went dark on a, Yesterday on the 19th of January some people are saying that shit, I need to be worried. I need to probably go to Tiananmen to clear my inventory.
But but I think I think many people were saying that, okay, I think this is just a tactic that that TikTok is basically showing the middle finger to the Biden administration and and things will come back. So, so there are really different interpretations. And I was asking a lot of people there saying, Hey, do you really know what’s going on?
And people said no, but I wish that things will go this way. And of course, I mean, when people’s economic interests are at stake, they hope that, and I think, I think TikTok as a whole would carry on. But
[00:05:48] Sabrina: I think it’s not that the ban has been lifted, right? So of course, as of now, when we’re filming this, it’s a day after where the ban was supposed to be enacted.
But of course, TikTok is back. It’s very funny, I, I was watching on TikTok this morning and a lot of the post on TikTok. Yeah. I was watching TikTok in the morning. Yeah. And a lot of the posts were just like everyone was so dramatic yesterday ’cause they thought TikTok was gonna be banned and in less than 24 hours, everyone is back on the platform already.
[00:06:13] Phyllis: I think because US is also one of the countries that allows monetization of content. Right. So a lot of the tiktoks, their main shop is actually just TikTok and they get money from actually, yeah. It’s not just TikTok shop content creators also tiktoks themselves. It’s a bit different in Singapore because we don’t allow monetization of content.
You don’t? No, they usually pivot to become like influencers. So then they become, they get kind of endorsements. How
[00:06:38] Jianggan: do they monetize on TikTok in the US? Why you are not allowed to do it in Singapore?
[00:06:43] Phyllis: But I know that they get money from views, like in, in the US. Oh, the ads, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like, okay, okay.
So then, there was this big TikToker, Katie Fang. She’s a beauty influencer. She was like crying because she realized that she has to find a new job now. Her exact words were, I have to find a proper job now.
[00:07:04] Jianggan: But, but being an influencer, I mean, it’s a proper job, right? I mean, I think somebody did a survey saying that most of the kids in the U.
- want to be influencers. But the thing
[00:07:12] Sabrina: is, you can also move to another platform. I think the issue with most of this is that, Most of this influences who started with TikTok, they didn’t grow their other platforms as much. So because of the ban, they were concerned that they were going to lose like a big part of their following.
[00:07:29] Jianggan: So they became quite dependent on the platform. Yes. It’s also, I mean, quite hard for you to operate. I mean, unless you have big resources and a big team. It’s such quite hard for you to create content at the same time for different platforms. Because different platforms would have different needs.
Different algorithms and sort of different profile of audience and the different ways that the content get pushed So yeah, so lots of people were it and but
[00:07:56] Sabrina: Okay, what’s
[00:08:06] Jianggan: the situation now I think I think President Trump said that he was probably going to ask for extension for 90 days And I think he also outlined some of the terms, right?
Okay so, so obviously Trump said something more specific yesterday on the 19th of January, and specifically at 11 p. m. U. S. time, or U. S. time, or Singapore time, I don’t know. But anyway, so he wrote a post on Truth Social, and I think, Dennis, you can pull this up. So I’m going to quote him exactly, and quote him.
I’m asking companies not to let TikTok stay dark. I will issue an executive order on Monday to extend the period of time before the laws prohibitions take effect, so that we can make a deal to protect our national security. The order will also confirm that there will be no liability for any company that helped keep TikTok from going dark.
Before my order, Americans deserve to see our exciting, Inauguration on Monday. So he wants people to see it as well as other events and commit conversations. I would like the United States to have a 50 percent ownership position in a joint venture by doing this with safety talk, keep it in good hands and allow it to stay up without us approval.
There’s no tick tock without our approval. It is worth hundreds of billions of dollars, maybe trillions. Therefore, my initial thought is a joint venture between the current owners and all. new owners whereby the U. S. gets a 50 percent ownership in a joint venture set up between the U. S. and whichever purchase we so close, we so choose.
So, so essentially I think he was more specific because by the administration was basically saying that they were not going to enforce the The law on the 19th, right? Because the last day of the Biden presidency, and I think they use the technicalities that it was a Sunday, so nobody’s working, so they can’t enforce.
But I think what accompanies, I mean, the Oracle, the likes of I don’t know, Google, Apple sort of the app stores and what they were concerned is that they might have liability incurred because the law says that whoever provides services would have liability. I think Trump was specific by saying that, okay, you will not have liability.
So that was what allowed companies to to continue to provide services and he thought, come back 50 percent joint venture. So that’s, but that’s for like byte dance or just, I think, I think, I think just for tick tock, right? So maybe just tick tock us. So the question is that the question is that I think I don’t know the exact cap table of a byte dance.
My I suspect that probably a significant percentage of the company ownership is already with us investors. So I don’t know, there could be a possibility that there’s been of tick tock us as a separate entity and map the exact ownership of bytons into it. Then they probably have like quite a significant us ownership.
They may maybe add a few like stretching investors. They already hit hit the goal. So
[00:10:52] Sabrina: so that will kind of prevent tick tock from the band from. Longer than this after this 90 days race period that Trump has given them, right?
[00:11:02] Jianggan: So basically, basically they will claim that, okay, we have already made a deal and TikTok is in control of U.
- interests. And and then case closed and Trump would still be able to broadcast his
[00:11:14] Phyllis: In operation.
[00:11:17] Jianggan: By that time will be like his policies, his executive orders and his claims on TikTok.
[00:11:24] Sabrina: What’s interesting is that Trump wants to bring back TikTok now, right? Because initially at the, during his presidential term, he was the one that kind of said he wants to ban it now.
He was the one that brought up this whole banning of TikTok. And now he seems to be supportive of it. So why do you think he changed his mind? Because he changed his mind.
[00:11:45] Jianggan: What’s wrong with that?
[00:11:47] Sabrina: Nothing wrong with changing his mind. Why do you think he changed his mind?
[00:11:50] Jianggan: I mean, nothing will change his mind, right?
I with the current times. I think when Singapore decided to build a casino, I think somebody went to Lee Kuan Yew and said that, Oh, you promised that Singapore would never have casinos. Lee Kuan Yew said, I mean, something along the lines that I promised that in the 1970s.
Okay, Lee Kuan Yew said that I promised that probably in the 1970s. Now it’s like 2000s. Things have changed.
[00:12:11] Sabrina: So what do you think made Trump change his mind? Did he realize what a good platform TikTok was? I don’t know. For himself. I
[00:12:19] Jianggan: don’t know the exact thinking of Trump, and I’m not even sure whether people close to him know exactly what’s going on in his mind.
But, but I do think he’s a very lucid, calculative businessman. So so, so obviously by sounding crazy, he makes his negotiations more effective. I mean, think about it. It’s the same as the North Korean dictator. People say he’s crazy, but he’s lucid, By making people believe that he’s crazy, he gets a bigger stake in negotiations.
As far as Trump is concerned I think a couple of things, I mean, first is he not uses TikTok and he sees the power of TikTok. What other social platforms he uses, like X, true social, but I mean, true social appeals to a niche audience. He’s cross borders.
[00:13:04] Sabrina: Okay. And obviously I think X has a very different demographic from TikTok, right? Especially since it was bought over by Elon Musk. Trump has
[00:13:12] Jianggan: his
[00:13:13] Phyllis: own TikTok profile as well. Yeah. And his videos are like, obviously not staged, not filmed by a professional camera. So. It might be planned, but it’s very TikTok style.
He’s talking directly to the camera. It doesn’t sound like a professional production. He
[00:13:29] Jianggan: knows how to communicate, right? So I think before this chat you guys were saying that you watched some of the Kamala Harris productions. It’s very staged. It’s
[00:13:38] Phyllis: not staged, it’s just very professional.
Almost like news. News report.
[00:13:42] Jianggan: I see, I see. It’s like an
[00:13:43] Sabrina: actual production as compared to someone at home filming their own tiktoks.
[00:13:46] Jianggan: Okay. So it feels a bit out of place for the TikTok platform in a way. Yes.
[00:13:51] Sabrina: Okay. Yeah, I feel like even brands on TikTok, like the ads that they try to do have to be very, even like have homemade.
Yeah. So
[00:13:57] Jianggan: brands, some brands figure out how to Yeah. Some brands do it well.
[00:14:02] Sabrina: So I think of course another thing that. We can look at as well, is how Mr. Qiu, the current CEO of TikTok has been managing this whole thing, right? So obviously, he has mentioned that he will be attending Trump’s inauguration.
[00:14:16] Jianggan: So he’s invited?
[00:14:17] Sabrina: He has been invited, yes. Him along with, I think Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg, a couple of these tech executives. Yeah. And I think he’s been handling this whole Kind of tiktok situation pretty well right since like the ban or and then he had to go and justify himself in front of congress yeah i think that
[00:14:34] Jianggan: was a that was a grill right five hours in front of congress and and he’s not even american
[00:14:39] Sabrina: so that was so funny i think we did a podcast about it so i will link it down below in the show notes if you guys are interested i think we did otherwise i will cut this
[00:14:47] Jianggan: part out okay anyway so so i think he’s a he’s predecessor right kevin the former disney executive he lasted for like a couple weeks I guess that guy being American, be part of the establishment, he probably had a lot of pressure.
But look at how Anshul has been handling. I mean, initially when he was like appointed CEO and people are saying, okay they need the face, right? Because the co founders of of ByteDance they are media shy. And probably because of their background, whatever. So they are not really appearing in front of cameras, let alone like going to Congress and stuff.
So. So, so the interesting about show is that, I mean, you see, you see the way he has been working hard to try to preserve this it’s actually pretty formidable, you know a few months ago sorry, you know, before before he thought he was actually working for Xiaomi, right? I think it was the CFO of Xiaomi.
The Chinese smart smartphone brand and now it’s making cars. Yes. A car model which is very similar to Porsche. I think Denise you can pull that up. So, so mid last year, the founder of Xiaomi Li Jun, who is himself a celebrity in China, business celebrity, he made a speech where he mentioned that when, so, so, So Shou is someone he saw a great potential in and he had been grooming for many years and when he was resigning to join to join somebody else and Li Jun said he felt that was slap in the face.
He said because and that That was actually a key reason for him to hesitate about whether he should get into cars. Losing such a high potential executive
[00:16:21] Sabrina: Probably
[00:16:22] Jianggan: successor even so, so, so that shows the potential that people saw in him. I think
[00:16:26] Sabrina: he’s been doing very well, right? I mean, obviously one, he’s, he’s pretty well spoken. I don’t know if he’s media trained, but he’s very
[00:16:32] Jianggan: well spoken. I think at this stage he’s probably very, very well media trained.
But but being a CEO with TikTok, he probably knows, I mean, how to, how to engage directly with the audience. Yeah.
[00:16:42] Sabrina: That’s true. Because he also has. I don’t know if he has his own TikTok account, but he also made a video, he also made a video addressing the
[00:16:49] Phyllis: whole TikTok family. All his videos on his TikTok profile are self filmed, like selfie style.
So he speaks directly to the camera and addresses the camera, like the audience directly. Very TikTok style. Very, very TikTok style. And he’s receiving a lot of compliments and praises from the TikTok community.
[00:17:06] Jianggan: I think it’s something that that shows the media trend as well, right? I mean, if you think about before the, the current US election the Trump side staged a coup to win this partially because they went all the way to, to different platforms, TikTok, all the podcasts.
To communicate directly with with the audience, different kinds of audience, they’re not shy. I mean, okay, you have an audience of this profile. Okay. I’ll go and talk to you for three hours So that your audience hear what I have to propose. So Yes, and and the way that people consume media now is probably different from like no I don’t know 10 years ago where you rely on Mainstream media where people just yeah So
[00:17:43] Sabrina: that’s true.
’cause I think now they realize that mainstream media isn’t as effective, especially I think amongst the younger generation of voters, because you see that kind of in Singapore as well, where more politicians are starting to go onto social media. . They might not be doing it well, but they’re trying they’re trying their best.
They are. They,
[00:18:00] Jianggan: yeah. I mean, it is a learning curve, right? Because because it’s, we try to be relate, relatable to. To an audience of different generation, it makes an effort. Just think about how your parents have been trying to relate to your generation.
[00:18:12] Sabrina: No, I find out, I love This’s Instagram account
[00:18:14] Jianggan: because
[00:18:15] Sabrina: his Instagram account is very personal.
Like it’s very cute. Like you’ll take photos of plants. You just like, oh, the today take by like me.
[00:18:21] Jianggan: Okay. I didn’t know that you were interested in plants, but then I,
[00:18:24] Sabrina: but it’s like very cute to see like your prime minister, that he’s the one it makes, it makes, I feel like it humanizes them a little more.
Let’s just, I was going
[00:18:33] Jianggan: to move on
[00:18:33] Sabrina: to xiao hong shu. Anything else you want to add? No. I think another thing that was kind of interesting to me about this whole TikTok ban, right? Was kind of this movement from TikTok to xiao hong shu.
[00:18:45] Jianggan: Is it a movement?
[00:18:46] Sabrina: It was
[00:18:46] Jianggan: Like, like literally people move.
[00:18:48] Sabrina: That’s the funny thing, right?
So it was actually a couple of days before the actual ban was lifted. There was a hashtag for those who are not aware. It’s kind of this social media platform. It’s very popular in China and also a little in Singapore and Malaysia. So there was this trending hashtag called TikTok refugees on Xiaohongshu.
So essentially a bunch of American consumers started creating Xiaohongshu accounts and posting on Xiaohongshu like, Oh, TikTok is going to be banned. I’m moving to this platform now.
[00:19:17] Phyllis: The TikTok influence has moved. And then they started posting their content that they were usually post on TikTok and then they called themselves TikTok refugees.
[00:19:26] Sabrina: And it was kind of a interesting, so I was scrolling through the app, right. And there were some exchanges between like the Chinese users and the American users, and it’s just a lot of jokes about like, Oh, here I’ll give you my data. Like, send me photos of your cats.
[00:19:37] Jianggan: I’ll give you my data. Yeah, yeah,
[00:19:38] Sabrina: yeah.
So a lot of, a lot of, okay. So
[00:19:40] Jianggan: that’s exactly what the regulators on both sides are so concerned about.
[00:19:44] Sabrina: So there was an exchange between the Chinese and American users on Xiaohongshu, right? Essentially all the American users were like, I’ll give you my data. Just send me like photos of your cats, which is funny because I think this move was kind of a return. Retaliation by the American users, essentially one of the main concerns that regulators pointed out for TikTok was that the data, the data privacy issues, right?
And so American users were like, okay, ban me from TikTok, I’ll go straight to the source. I will give my data directly to a Chinese company.
[00:20:10] Jianggan: I mean, it shows that the Sonyang people don’t really care about the data. And do you guys use Xiaohongshu yourselves? Yes. Okay, for what?
[00:20:18] Sabrina: Research. So usually when I’m planning for trips, if I’m going somewhere like, if I’m in China or somewhere that speaks Chinese, Xiaohongshu is a pretty good source of finding places to go, things to eat.
Yeah, very good tips and
[00:20:30] Jianggan: very comprehensive recommendations, right? You as well?
[00:20:33] Phyllis: I use it for makeup. Yeah, for makeup. For makeup, yeah. They have so many ideas and they usually tell you like, So it’s very comprehensive, they give like full on guides, and not just make up, they give you like full on guides how to use, how to use like for example, Macbook, like if you don’t know Excel, you can go on their website to learn how
[00:20:52] Jianggan: to use Excel.
Yep, so obviously it’s a very, very popular platform in China, especially for the young people, and it’s probably, One of the only, like, growth stage startups which are still hiring in the country. And but of course it took the company many years to reach where it is today. And of course, lots of trials and error.
And of course over the last few days a lot of people are talking about, okay, She also reached fame, right? It was number one in the chart in the U S and I was telling my friends that if I wish I want to, I’ll be damn scared. So, because I, I don’t know how to manage all this us users, right? I don’t know what the concern, I don’t want the data issues, even though the user don’t care, regulators cares.
And unlike tick talk versus doing what you have to buy. That’s a two products for China and non China audiences. Keeping them separate. She also doesn’t have that. That’s true.
[00:21:41] Sabrina: There’s no separate entity. It’s just.
[00:21:43] Jianggan: It’s the same app, right? So, so what happens if the U S users start talking about politics to Chinese users?
[00:21:50] Sabrina: That,
[00:21:50] Jianggan: that, that would become a big issue, right? So
[00:21:53] Sabrina: that is something that would be concerning for seven, because obviously that puts them in the spotlight for regulators. I don’t think American users would understand kind of the significance of mentioning some of the top. To them, they might think like, oh, it’s just a joke.
Yeah, but they don’t realize that this joke could help put the platform in a lot of trouble
[00:22:13] Jianggan: Yeah. Yeah. So so basically this is two very different environment internet environments and And of course, I mean I think for xiaohongshu It probably has international ambitions, right? Because now in singapore malaysia is already I think accidentally became very popular But for it to be a full fledged sort of international platform like Tik Tok is probably take them a long time and a lot of sort of organizational capabilities.
They need to build product capabilities. They need to build. So lastly, I think I think this morning we posted something on WeChat about
[00:22:46] Sabrina: We posted an article about the TikTok ban. Yeah, so I will try to add a link in the show
[00:22:50] Jianggan: notes below. Yeah, you can If
[00:22:52] Sabrina: I can find a way to add
[00:22:53] Jianggan: the article link.
Yeah, there’s a link, but you need to translate it yourself because it’s written in Chinese. But we added a poll towards the end. So I think we can add a screenshot of that poll into the So basically we’re asking, I mean, how do you guys think that TikTok will eventually end up in the U S right? What’s the, what’s the, what the fate will be eventually.
So we gave them a few options. First is that, okay, I mean, we don’t see any chance of it surviving. The second is that they will reach a deal very soon and keep operating. The third is that TikTok is a pawn of a much bigger chess game, probably between China and the U S. So, so, so if you are a small player on TikTok ecosystem, It’s very hard for you to play with them.
Yeah, the fourth is that it will be long drawn out battle. So be prepared for volatilities and turbulences. And the next one is Trump will see the enemies from within. So most people chose, I think, I mean, as of now, so hundreds of votes, like 52 percent of the total voters voted for, this would be a long drawn battle.
Be prepared for volatilities. So it’s true, right? I mean, you, have a lot of signals and people are willing to make a deal. But before a deal is reached, lots of negotiations and lots of external tactics and you shoot a force, et cetera, et cetera. So so of course, from our point of view we hope that Tata will continue to operate because I mean, we, and, and it gives people the opportunity to create content that other platforms Are not sort of at the same level with tick tock on. So, but also, I mean, there’s lots of commerce going on. There’s also business opportunities, as you mentioned that the GMB reached
[00:24:33] Phyllis: nine
billion. Yeah. And and of course ecosystem is being created.
It’s not there yet. I mean, you don’t have that level MCNs and professional services as China has, but it’s getting there. So there are lots of opportunities, which can be Create it. And I think something which creates a bit of competitive to pressure for other platforms. I think overall it’s a good thing for consumers.
[00:24:52] Sabrina: Yeah. Yeah. I think,
[00:24:53] Jianggan: yeah. But let’s see. Yeah, ,
[00:24:54] Sabrina: we shall see what happens. So thank you guys for tuning into another episode of the Imposter Podcast. We hope you guys enjoyed today’s episode, , and if you did, do like this video as well as subscribe to our YouTube channel to stay up to date on future videos.
And of course, like we mentioned earlier, the Video Momentum Box has a report in collaboration with TAP coming out this week. On the TikTok shop data based in the U. S. So, the report will be in the show notes below if you guys are interested. Should
[00:25:19] Jianggan: we publish something on TikTok? Or is it a different format?
[00:25:22] Sabrina: It’s a different format. But we should publish something on TikTok. Okay, we need to use the phone. Yeah, don’t you hold the
[00:25:28] Jianggan: phone and film. Okay. Bye bye! Bye!
